The midnight fairy came to visit me last night with an amazing surprise –in fact such a big surprise that I can’t quite believe it, and have spent the day trying to confirm or deny my conclusions. Oh ye of little faith!!
As a prelude to sleep (!!) I decided to have a quick look on Trove for Bridget O’Brien Ipswich. Bridget was my Mary O’Brien’s (2x great grandmother) sister. You see the other day I’d found a new obituary for her on Trove which mentioned that her year in Queensland had been spent in Ipswich. Up came the following advertisement in the Sydney Morning Herald on 9th and 12th February 1859:
SHIP-FLORENTIA – BRIDGET O’BRIEN Your sister Mary is anxious to hear from you. Mrs KONGEL, Post Office, Ipswich.
It’s as well I was lying down I tell you!! I couldn’t believe my eyes and kept saying “keep calm, keep calm”.
Why was I so excited? Because I’d pretty much guarantee that this is my Mary Kunkel (nee O’Brien) and her sister Bridget. Kunkel is routinely mangled even today, or greeted with a “what??” so the mis-spelling doesn’t bother me much, especially since Mary was illiterate and had a Clare accent.
I’ve been hunting for Mary’s immigration for 27 years to no avail. I’ve looked at every possible immigration record I could find, including checking every Mary O’Brien entry, as well as Bridget and Kate/Catherine.
So am I leaping to conclusions? Please tell me what you think after reading this.
My memory didn’t instantly retrieve Florentia but it was ringing loud bells for me. A quick search of my records reminded me this was the ship that the Daniel O’Brien family from Tipperary arrived on. I wrote about the connections in this post early in 2013. This O’Brien family and my Mary O’Brien Kunkel were involved as witnesses in each other’s church events.
So let me put together the details and compare it with the oral history given to me by Mary’s granddaughter, Anne Kunkel who lived with her, and who was an extremely reliable witness (she’s been spot-on about 99% of what she told me):
1. Mary left Ireland when she was 16
In 1852 when the Florentia sailed Mary was 16 years old. This tallies with the age stated on several children’s birth certificates as well as her death certificate. Bridget’s age at death, and the details on her certificate also indicate an arrival year of 1852-53.
2. Mary was six months at sea coming to Australia
The Florentia was at sea for 22 weeks, slightly over five months. On top of that Mary had to get to Plymouth to catch the ship, either by boat from Limerick or Bianconi carriage to Dublin. Either way you can see how the total trip would have been close to six months. And wouldn’t the temptation be to round up, not down?
3. Mary and Bridget came together…though Anne did suggest perhaps sister Kate also came, but then she would have been <10 at the time.
Assuming this is correct, then Mary would have been on the Florentia too. I had eliminated Kate as an arrival through Moreton Bay as she married in Sydney in 1871 but now I’m rethinking that. Kate witnessed a baptism in Broadford, Clare in 1860. A Kate O’Brien witnessed Mary’s child’s baptisms in 1864 and 1866 in Ipswich. Was this her sister or Daniel and Winifred’s daughter (born 1854), which does seem young to be a witness? Our Kate’s details suggest she arrives in the early 1860s, just when there are some Board Immigrant Lists missing.
4.“Mary had a job before ever she got here…and she worked for a sea captain in Brisbane”
Was Mary arriving as an unassisted passenger? Or did she come under a false name as happened occasionally (and perhaps more than we realise?). Certainly the passenger list of the Florentia tallies with the stated number of passengers, and does not include two unassisted passengers because when the ship docked in Hobart on 4th April 1853 to take on additional supplies, there is only one cabin passenger stated on the Tasmanian documents, the Surgeon Superintendent for the voyage, William Clegg. Might she have been under an alias? This is tricky and yet none of the ages quite fit, let alone for two young women, aged 16 and 18.
5. She met her husband on the voyage
This tale is common to both Mary and Bridget. Bridget’s future husband was a mariner, John Widdup, so that may be plausible. I’ve never found George Kunkel’s immigration either, and have conjectured he too may have worked his passage given his upbringing on the River Main. The Tasmanian records indicate there were 26 crew on the Florentia…I wonder if either George or John was one of them. Unfortunately the Mariners and Ships in Australian Waters website does not include the Florentia.
So far at least I’ve also been unable to trace them through the CLIP website.
The ship’s captain was Capt TH Banks and Surgeon Superintendent William Clegg and the ship arrived in Moreton Bay on 25th April 1853. The Florentia was a barque of 453 tons, and on arrival was carrying 249 immigrants so a fairly small ship. Apart from being unusually long, due to “contrary winds and calms”, the voyage had a fairly high fatality rate, with two differing death rates: 17 deaths (Moreton Bay) and 9 deaths (Hobart). Although “offset” by either 8 or 12 births, this was not a good tally. And yet surprisingly very little is documented in the Trove newspapers about the voyage, other than an elusive hint that there were issues with the ship’s officers: The local Immigration Board is now engaged in the investigation of certain charges against the ship’s officers, but what their nature or justice may be, remains a mystery.- Moreton Bay Courier, May 7 quoted in the Maitland Mercury of 18 May 1853.
The Moreton Bay colonists were far more concerned that the ship brought far more women and children, than the men they wanted to boost their workforce.
Was there another Florentia voyage? Yes, but back in 1841 when Bridget was only a girl of about eight. It seems logical that the 1853 voyage is the correct one. Our Bridget witnessed her brother’s and sister’s baptism at home in Broadford in 1846 and 1850 adding to that likelihood.
It’s also not surprising that Mary might have been advertising for her sister, as Bridget left Ipswich after a year, so about mid-1854. By the 1860s she was married and living with her little family in Urana in southern New South Wales. Meanwhile Mary too had married in 1857, to George Kunkel, which Bridget may not have known.
So why was Mary “anxious” to get in touch with Bridget in early 1859? Their parents didn’t die until much later. Mary’s marriage and children seemed to be having no problems. Perhaps she just hadn’t heard from Bridget for a while or perhaps Mary knew that Kate was thinking of emigrating and wanted to get in touch.
Plainly there’s room for further research at various archives and online.
So what do you think? Does my hypothesis hold up? Can I do a happy dance or is it all wishful thinking? Pearls of wisdom and advice would be much appreciated.
Tasmanian Archives, Immigration document MB2-39-1-16 Image 183
Family oral history: Anne Kunkel
21 thoughts on “Have I cracked it? Shall we dance?”
What do I think? I think I wish I hadn’t checked the recharge level on my iPad, as I can’t resist checking mail.. I wish I hadn’t read the mail. Then I think I wish I hadn’t followed through to FB, then to this post… But mostly I think if I were with you now, neither of us would get any sleep, as I think we would be both be doing the happy dance.. If you haven’t cracked it, I think you have at least chipped away. Have you checked Qld Text, to see if there is anything extra there on the voyage of the Florentia? Just maybe, it may have appeared in a Gazette or one of the more obscure papers or booklets that are often listed there.
Now I think that I have to try to get some sleep, not sure if that will happen now… I’m trying not to breathe in the essence of excitement that is jumping off the page… At the least, you are very, very close..
Oops…sorry to have disturbed your sleep 😉 I had a mental image of both of us, laptops and ipads to hand, heads bent together, saying “what do you think?” ” how about this?” 🙂 Yes there’s a passing reference on Text Qld but not about the voyage. By the time I’d posted I’d got past believing in the happy dance and convinced myself I was dreaming. On Saturday night I was quivering like a puppy about to get a bone….couldn’t sleep until 3am for hunting down more stuff. Being a rationalist is sometimes such a dampener. I still think it (1) has to be my Mary (2) has to be the Florentia for Bridget and (3) probably also for Mary given the oral history and certificate data….but why no names and no info on this wretched ship!! I suspect it will need a trawl through Col Sec letters to find out more about the voyage, even if nothing about Mary and Bridget.
Great image, no wonder I couldn’t sleep! You were calling… One of the reasons I mentioned Text Qld was because of the Gazettes. Though Moreton Bay arrivals are more accessible now, is it worth checking through Maryborough… I’ve had some success there as that is where the voyage sometimes ended. Can’t wait till you have this solved.. Let me know if John G. snr was also on board… O:-)
Have you also checked the Queensland Police Gazettes – there are lots of missing persons advertised in there – perhaps Mary put one in there as well as the newspaper, with maybe even more details??
Good idea Shauna. Haven’t tried them for this one. Thanks!
I’d be a little more than cautiously optimistic – that’s a mighty big hint.
Overall yes Jill, I think it’s highly likely but I’d really like to know more about the voyage and if there were paying passengers on it. Just call me Doubting Thomas. I can foresee a trip to Kingswood and trawling through Col Sec papers.
You know me, Jill, I want the i’s dotted and the t’s crossed 😉
Personally, I’d be doing a happy dance. : )
Thanks Prue, I’m cautiously optimistic about it, and appreciate other bloggers’ support. Thanks for happy dancing.